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PostSubject: something new ?    Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:34 am

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:11 pm

woot woot for dc 8.
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:40 pm

I got plans for 2 of those 8s. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:23 pm

for being only 8's.these are beastly little monsters
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:50 pm

I been looking at an 8, how much those run?
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:47 am

Price is pretty nice for the build quality, but they only make level 2s in them right now so only 300rms rated handling (Im sure they would handle more with good clean power). If you think they will fit the bill get a hold of Jonatan he is dealing them now.
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:34 am

ill have two on my brutus amp soon
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:40 pm

kylevh21 wrote:
ill have two on my brutus amp soon

I said CLEAN power Kyle lol!
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:15 pm

the brutus's aint bad. granted i have no clue what ya mean by clean power. lol
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:35 am

at 4 ohms it should be clean
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:30 am

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at 4 ohms it should be clean

There just so happens to be someone I know who can tell you if it is clean with an oscope they have....LOL....wonder who that is??? hmmmm

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:39 pm

my amp is clean powah and it's made by maxxonics
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:41 pm

Silly kids. More to being clean then just not clipping, but rock on lol.
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:24 pm

James Reed wrote:
Silly kids. More to being clean then just not clipping, but rock on lol.
kids hmmm?
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:27 pm

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Silly kids. More to being clean then just not clipping, but rock on lol.

Do explain, cuz it is just a signal, if it isn't clipped it should be clean unless you are referring to distortion, which does happen until the signal is clipped anyway. Explain what you talking about willus? LMAO

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:45 pm

You want the signal clean yes .
But in all out spl clean isn't always better.
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:51 pm

sweep wrote:
You want the signal clean yes .
But in all out spl clean isn't always better.

That's y I stay away from all out spl, I like it clean Wink

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:29 am

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James Reed wrote:
Silly kids. More to being clean then just not clipping, but rock on lol.

Do explain, cuz it is just a signal, if it isn't clipped it should be clean unless you are referring to distortion, which does happen until the signal is clipped anyway. Explain what you talking about willus? LMAO


Distortion doesn't happen until clipping? WOW! Not true at all Andrew and you of all people should know that LMFAO. So lets define distortion. Not as a cut down to you either Andrew, but so others maybe can learn something they may not have known and stop the spread of mis-information right now.

Distortion - Sound that is modified or changed in some way. Measured as a percentage of the whole signal.

Ever here of an electric guitar? What do you think the sound effects like fuzz and overdrive are?.... I will tell ya, distortion. Sure not harmful at all unless drivng the speaker trying to re-produce the sounds passed it limits mechanically or by power, but distortion non the less.

Ground Loop - The condition created when two or more paths for electricity are created in a ground line, or when one or more paths are created in a shield or an audio cable. This can create undesirable noise such as a high pitched whine when the vehicle is running or pops and clicks when other devices are used in the vehicle.....Would this also be a type of distortion that can happen with out clipping? Umm... yup. Just another example.

What about THD? It's not present untill clipping sets in too? Not the case.

Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) - The noise referenced to signal in decibels (dB) as a percentage.
Noise referenced to Signal
-10.0 dB
-20.0 dB
-30.0 dB
-40.0 dB
-50.0 dB
-60.0 dB
-70.0 dB
-80.0 dB
Percent Distortion
31.6%
10.0%
3.16%
1.00%
0.316%
0.100%
0.0316%
0.0100%

Point being (newer) Hifonics amps have VERY high THD to go along with their struck by lightning power claims lol. Sure not truly harmful, but trashy, "DIRTY", distortion filled signal to say the least and was what my first post to Kyle about "CLEAN" power (jokingly at that) was referring too. So as I said before, rock on......... Children
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:15 am

And at what point does distortion that affects the signal happen where it actually affects performance? Remember James I have been thur Signals and Systems, DSP, Communications 1 and Micro processor to get my EE degree, studied the affects of distortion and THD in a lab on a bench. If it is unclipped, the THD will be so low it won't make the signal dirty until the damping factor is all to shit. LOL, go wiki damping too James...LMAO!!!

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:18 am

And no disrespect either James, you know that!!!

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:33 am

If it is audible distortion that SHOULD NOT be there. Unclipped or clipped it is shit dirty signal IMO. Like I said THD is not truly "harmful" as I said before. So don't get it twisted, but it is still shitty dirty signal altered CRAP that I don't wanna hear nor should I have too and neither should anyone else lol. That was the point and was something I thought you of all people would have got right away without having it all written out to understand what I was talking about.

BTW don't need wiki to know what damping is nor the above forms of SOME of the types of distortion that can and do happen without clipping.

But you can define what you mean by PERFORMANCE because there are many types of distortion that do effect performance if you are worried about SQ at all. Like the above mentioned high THD above with those hifonics amps that is more then audible lol.
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:41 am

Many lulz were had here

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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:51 am

I hope so becuase that was the intent of the first post that started this off topic rant lol. Just a joke about the HIGH FIDELITY of Hifonics......... Wow can believe I use high fidelity and hifonics in the same sentence affraid I should be shot even doing that in a joking form lol!
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:16 pm

haha hey! i had 4 hifonics 12s james they SUCKED haha oh and i am kinda lost about the clipping discussion. i thought i understood "clipping" but yall two would be the ones to take it to damn extremes so i feel like a dumb fuck haha.
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PostSubject: Re: something new ?    Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:35 pm

power hungry wrote:
haha hey! i had 4 hifonics 12s james they SUCKED haha oh and i am kinda lost about the clipping discussion. i thought i understood "clipping" but yall two would be the ones to take it to damn extremes so i feel like a dumb fuck haha.

Clipping - Audible distortion that occurs when continuous power-to-peak power capabilities (headroom) are exceeded. "Turn it down!"

Basically the most common type of clipping comes from running your amp gain way to high. It is meant to match to the voltage of the source. ie your head unit or eq. But if your running your deck volume too high you can clip the signal before it even gets to the amp, if your using an eq too much volume here or even the recorded audio signal its self could be clipped (clipped track isn't so bad other then cutting off signal that should have reached you). What you really need to worry about is anything that amplifies signal. Anything that is amplified has the potential to clip. An amplifier is built with a given, set voltage, both positive and negative, called "rails". When the input signal tells the amplifier to "turn on" more than the rails are capable of producing, the waveform is "clipped off". That is what clipping is. exceeding the headroom of the rails. Thats when the "bad" stuff really starts to happen.


What our later discussion was actually talking about was other forms of "DISTORTION" that can crap up the audio signal. Most have nothing to do with clipping. Actually the distortion is not really the harmful element that kills your stuff anyways. but don't confuse what im saying, clipping is not good. It's the reasons and things causing the distortion from clipping that are harmful(exceeding head room). But when tuning by ear all you have is the audible distortion caused when clipping happens to guide you to know you are clipped. Also why distortion is commonly perceived to be the killer here.

Not all distortion is bad. Distortion is not always avoided. Sometimes it's added deliberately by musicians to alter the sound of their instruments, or by engineers to modify their recordings. Numerous kinds of analog and digital signal processors are used to create distortion that musicians willing exploit for novel, interesting effects. On the production side of music, this is good. On the other hand, for the reproduction of music, distortion is the bane of high fidelity. Every step of the recording and playback process adds its share. In the end, the sound in our cars has a substantial accumulation of all types of distortion. Kept at a minimum, we can achieve some relatively realistic results.
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